Fighting place: Dr. PR Beyonder is probably the strongest comic character there is if you go by feats alone and not by hype. 9 Doctor Manhattan: Like A Duck To Water. "True Darkseid" or whatever you want to call him was threatening the muliverse due to the nature of his fall - not personal power. Follow 379. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. CryptoBrainiac, the highest level intellect in all of DC and the only villain to go out into the Source to find more information how things really are, says Myxzptlk's power of Imagination is infinite. Round 2: White Phoenix of the Crown: Beyonder stomps. Strange, Sorcerer Supreme 10: The In-Betweener. Quantu. there are tons of ways to argue. Nov 6, 2017. the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. If we don't then I think he would stop at 6 since Thought Robot is plot device designed to always beat the villain and Beyonder would be the villain in this situation from the perspective of Though Robot. Power-level wise, the Beyonder is so far 'beyond' the Anti-Monitor it's not even funny. Pre retcon MM scared the cosmics of the 80s even as groups, they had to just let him pass by out of fear, even beg him to fight Beyonder due to how scared shitless they. Here are all his interpreted levels of power. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. #18 Edited By Kingant27. and also white phoenix cant beat toaa but im sure she can eaither salemate prerecton beyonder r at least beat him through. Win by destroying or sealing opponent. He wouldn't be. The first pre-retcon Beyonder dies. 1. Forums. Anti-monitor was multiversal, Beyonder was hundreds and hundreds of times more powerful than the multiverse and is the poster boy for omnipotence (even though he's nigh omnipotent). Pre Retcon Beyonder (Same reason as The Presence) Kami Tenchi (Once again, for similar reasons as The Presence) Archived post. Beyonder if what I hear of Gan/Crimson King is true (and. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. The Presence is an omnipotent God, I take it? Forums. Follow 41274. Stage 4 - Retcon 1 - Dumb, Dumb, Dumb - It is reveled that everything in secret wars I & II was mearly an illusion. Spectre. Beyonder pre-retcon Beyonder > current beyonders races. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. The answer is stupidly powerful, note the reason why he was retconed . Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. Even The. Characters; Creators; Teams; VolumesHis power level is all over the place. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. Not only this, due to scaling, Hajun has taken. Omnipotent= One above All (Not celestial) Nigh-Omnipotent= (Pre-recton Beyonder), Living Tribunal, Pre-recton Molecule Man. In dc put in Bat Mite and Superman prime the. Pre-Retcon Beyonder can use his powers to instantly know his enemy's thoughts, feelings, and powers and counter them. 0. When talking Beyonder, We're referring to a dude whose power level was measured as "quintillions" of times greater than everything in the multiverse combined, and laughed off a. He is. Im pretty much clueless on DB and its power levels; but, i cant picture pre retcon beyonder having any difficulties with dragon ball verse characters. :Wiki. The rest was necessary PIS to make a more interesting story. Forum Posts. However, let's remember; PR Beyonder let Dr. There is no way to square all of the things The Beyonder could do pre-retcon with the origin they assigned to him post-retcon, so you kind of need to make a distinction between the. Even if. Both are in character. #28 ovy7. Unless you thought that this was IG Thanos and Post-Retcon Beyonder, in which case your assessment makes sense. 2. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. who’s full power. #6 Edited By DC_Marvel_1000. 4 years ago. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. . The fact is, Michael and Lucifer are on LT's level. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. Multi-Oblivion 22. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. High Hyperverse level (The Beyonder is an infinite dimensional being. Manhattan's league. Franklin Richards (when he has powers), Molecule Man, Mad Jim Jaspers, Job Burke, and other universal- to multiversal-level reality warpers. Beyonder is either: A. as strong as mxy was, he was nowhere near that level. The Beyonder is straight up more powerful than the character used as The One Above All's proxy. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. 1. Pre-Retcon Beyonder. CitizenSentry. MrStealYoSweetroll • 2 yr. Post-Retcon Molecule Man easily overpowered the Post-Retcon Beyonder. ago. . The Beyonder is a cosmic being of immense power, often labelled as omnipotent during the issues of Secret Wars, and much stronger than all the other cosmic entities. Battle for the Multiverse! The Beyonders & Thanos have teamed up to destroy The Beyonder & reclaim power over the Marvel Multiverse. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. The Beyonder clearly held Scathan's power in deep respect. 4,859 4,632. no. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. PRB has a lot of showings that would suggest otherwise. :The mage got a rest time of 1 day between the fights. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. These are somewhat meaningless, it gets to a point where it's too abstract to try and say something concrete about. Conditions of the battle: *Composite Time Lords will include variants of the Time Lords from the Expanded Doctor Who Universe (e. PR Beyonder may have slightly better feats than Lucifer, he's not nearly as crafty. Even The. Momentarily Matches Beyonder in a battle that causes Multiversal TremorsBut my vote for Pre-Retcon Beyonder just cause marvel writers stated he been TOAA in his own multiverse and all combine power in all multiverse in a millions times lower than him . If you can find a single DBS character (aside from Zeno) who could solo any of these, I’ll be impressed. Beyonder (pre retcon) Fixed. Omnipotence is true infinity where nothing can go beyond. Gender: Inapplicable (As the character stated, "he" was made of energy and could assume any gender that "he" wanted) Age: Unknown. Name: Beyonder Origin: Marvel Comics Gender: Appears male, in reality has no actual gender Classification: Cosmic being Age: Unknown (possibly older than the universe) Powers and Abilities: Massive multiversal-scale reality warping, shapeshifting, telepathy, soul manipulation, near-omniscience, immortality (type 5), immune to practically every. who universe. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). A few pages leter Beyonder comes back kills Doom and starts curb stomping everyone including wrecking the mutli verse and breaking apart countless realities That's what Pre Retcon Beyonder is A. Beyonder has way more hax, the Glory is literally non-sentient, and Beyonder has an extreme AP advantage, seeing as the Glory is only possibly baseline High 1-B, and Beyonder is well over 10,000,000 times more powerful than almost every High 1-B in Marvel. 2nd Retcon - The BEyonder. All of the sudden Deku gets a power up and You Say Run starts playing. Making the Molecule Man a bomb created by said Beyonders for each reality. Pre Retcon Beyonder vs Adaption. Lucifer Morningstar (with the Demiurgic Dunamis): Lucifer Morningstar traveling to Marvel multiverse towards know more about it and just traveling to events of. 8 years ago. Basanos who are nothing more than a mimcry of Destiny's book could see and create infinite possibilities just to kill Lucifer. He went so far as to take on the Oans in the Green Lantern corps. 9 years ago. CC Goku is outerversal while in Uni Blue, meanwhile Pre retcon Beyonder as far as i know is high outer and has way better feats, apart from being part of a much larger cosmology. Round 3: Cosmic Armor Superman: CAS stomps. Super Power Score and Level. Even MM said Beyonder was well beyond him In that fight even with half his power. Spectre, to me, has never proved to be an equal to LT. It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. When Peter had Beyonder's powers for just a. 5. They know that he is capable of ending them with naught but a thought, and that engenders a feeling in them they've never known- fear. R1 - Beyonder godstomps effortlessly, he's millions of times more powerful than the Marvel multiverse, which is infinitely bigger than Dragon Ball's multiverse. Pre-Retcon Beyonder got overpowered by the Phoenix Force. Sep 6, 2015. FIN7 • 5 July 2018 • User blog:FIN7. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. cweaver • 7 yr. Both sides are in character but determined to win. 8: Hulk /w The One Below All. He took many heroes, including. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. Scans please? Also was it after Beyonder's Retcon? We can't powerscale old schoold characters from new school ones. Scales nowhere. "Pre retcon beyonder" had no limits and couldn't be destroyed. R. when people talk about pre-retcon marvel like pre-retcon beyonder or pre-retcon molecule man what storyline was the retcon. -Both sides have a week of prep. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa. So, a powerful being's place is usually on the outside as a supporter or obstacle of your central characters. MM is not as strong as Beyonder but he's above Living Tribunal, abstracts, IG and other such levels of cosmic power. But it wont be easy by no means. Beyonder Pre-Retcon was a REALM. ago. Wiki Points. Deku remembers All Might then poof PRB is knocked out. He holds the power millions of times greater than the multiverse and it's forces combined. Rune King Thor is still under Omnipotent beings such as The-One-Above-All and Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Holo-Man • 3 yr. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. 14 years ago. Fighting place: Dr. Pre retcon, the Beyonder was the most powerful being in the Marvel universe. Cubey. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. He is the embodiment of the Beyonder Realm, a place much bigger than the Marvel Multiverse, outside of reality. 3. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. Death only dealt with Dream so casually because of how the concepts they embody interact with each other. Round 1: Pre Retcon. Forum Posts. Pre-Retcon Beyonder and LT would be about the same power level, imo. 4 years ago. Sensing that the Beyonder is a power beyond the multiverse itself and is capable of granting any wishes,. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Super Power Score and Level. I see, so Gilgamesh is indeed powerful, but still difficult to tier consistently with all those different statements / showings. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. At the height of his power, Pre-Retcon Beyonder gave everything that existed a few hours to continue existing before he wiped everything out. •Beyonder is infinitely bigger than the whole multiverse [which has infinite number of universe in it] •Beyonder is infinitely powerful than all of multiverse combined. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. #1 Omega48. The only level higher than fiction is the reality, so unless you think 3812 is about to come into the real world he literally can't ascend above a comic character. Archived post. CryptoWeaknesses. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. Post retcon, he is about as powerful as a cosmic cube. I mean he is so omnipotent yet it looks like he can't seem to understand that to dress up you need the lights on. Phoenix Taaia 26. The 2nd Existential Seed said: Beyonder is either one of two things: Millions times stronger then Eternity, or millions times more powerful than LT + ( Even though I believe the first ) . Maybe the 3rd depending on how you interpret things, and we don’t know the 4th. super strength is not worth much in such a fight. Here are all his interpreted levels of power. King_Saturn. Lucifer could just tricked Beyonder like Molecule Man did to Beyonder. Far from Beyonder levels. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. Just checked, you're right, my bad. #17. Round 5 : Beyonder Curbs ( it is said that his power is far superior to MM. -Everything in bleach. A High Nigh-Omnipotent being; with no limits. Aka and Lorkhan influenced and limited all Et'Ada with their power. Share to. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). It is unclear whether his power under this retcon is greater of lesser than the Cosmic Cube version of the Beyonder, or if it is even at the level of Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Post Retcon the Beyonder was part cosmic cube along with Owen. Sure he can beat the post-retcon Beyonder. Thank you. Pre-Ret MM having abstracts such as LT and Eternity beg him to fight Beyonder implies he's one incredibly powerful dude. Origin: Marvel Comics. 8 C. Oldfather 18. 1. Beyonder is just Metaverse level or Low Metaverse. Q, although claims omnipotence, was still very bound with what he could do. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Wiki Points. Beyonder can create and destroy multiverse just by thiniking. I don’t think Lucifer scales above them. The time lords are at their best. Spectre, to me, has never proved to be an equal to LT. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. Beyonder still probably loses to Thought Robot Superman, Final Batsuit Batman, Anti-Crisis Wonder Woman, Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos, Perpetua, the Darkest Knight, true form Darkseid, etc. PR Beyonder curbstomps. So they pretty much stomps the likes of Galactus, Mephisto and etc who are universal at most. Even LT feared him and begged him not to do everything he did. He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. Sppople. Pre Retcon Beyonder would be accidentally retconned once more. Round 1: Eternity: Beyonder stomps. Molecule Man. Baby Beyonder. New posts. The Two fight in the beyond realm. Pre Retcon Beyonder said that the combined powers of all the beings in the multiverse (including entities) where just like a drop in the sea and is considered to be a million times powerful than. Molecule Man, who at the time of the Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the second most powerful being EVER, let off a blast, point blank in the Beyonder's face that was said to be powerful enough to destroy THOUSANDS of dimensions, it was shrugged off by the Beyonder. pre-retcon Beyonder. #13 AgentofChaos1. That one time Phoenix Force making Pre Retcon Beyonder struggle: is this a testament to her power?. Powers are basically the same thing. Metaphysical power sets, hax (Well, can consider both the same if you want, since Gilgamesh's hax adheres to metaphysical power sets) Beyonder has simply no resistence against, surperior cosmology. . Pre-Retcon Beyonder 10/10 destroy Flash. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. Word Lords, the Celestis, Faction Paradox, etc. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. 5. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. here are the rules. Power-level wise, the Beyonder is so far 'beyond' the Anti-Monitor it's not even funny. Something like "Weakest DC Villain that could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder" would be fine though. 5: Molecule Man 6: Lifebringer Galactus. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. Pre-Retcon Molecule man can't stop, and even scratch Pre-retcon Beyonder. 0. There is nothing he can do to hurt him while Beyonder can snap his finger and destroy Flash and the universe. There's a difference. I guess ill make some rules 1. 7: Old Lord Thanos. • 1 year ago. Omnipotent= One above All (Not celestial) Nigh-Omnipotent= (Pre-recton Beyonder), Living Tribunal, Pre-recton Molecule Man. 2. 9 years ago. Multi-Abstract= Multi-Eternity. ImKindaANiceGuy • 3 yr. I'm not talking about the power he's given, but more so what's possible that's given to him. 1. let's wait and see his actual feats. Pre retcon Beyonder is not a part of Thanos's multiverse, and would thus be unaffected by. Pre-ret beyonder was collapsing parallel dimensions as a byproduct of deep conflicting thought, Thanos could probably achieve this seeing how he wiped the universe clean but Beyonder just seems. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (Marvel) vs Lucifer Morningstar (DC/Vertigo) Lucifer win because in terms of raw power beyonder win but you have to remember beyonder isnt smart at all. RRPanther • 7 mo. Inherent in his almost limitless psionic abilities the Beyonder has the potential to affect reality in a manner that could, in theory, simulate virtually any power. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the embodiment of the Beyond-Realm and is the chief of the extra-dimensional race the Beyonders who created the cosmic cubes and Kosmos, but the Maker (one of the. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on into infinity. They literally referenced him and said that he was just a child. He'd be incredibly more versetile with his approach in the fight. Creshosk. Team 1 wins. With this said, Secret wars 2 did but all that massively multiversal mumbo-jumbo and Living Tribunal being less than a. Let's put it this way. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Pre-retcon Molecule Man. Beyonder is hurt. VS. Galactus Fused 23. This is the power level used when referring to PR Beyonder or PR Molecule Man. (too many people use the word "hell" "asshole" and "bitch")Batman (just kidding) 10 years ago. Dormamu Eternity Power 27. The Beyonder beat them rather easily - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3,. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. Belligerents: Composite Time Lords from Doctor Who and the Pre-retcon Beyonder from Marvel Comics. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. But, that was in regard to a. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. Lucifer Morningstar. Beyonder was stated millions of times more powerful than the combined power of all Marvel including any and every being in it. Pre-retcon beyonder vs Dr manhattan Thread starter BBNicky; Start date Apr 18, 2021; BBNicky. and to give Beyonder a curiosity, a reason to visit Earth in SWII. - Fight Scenario -. 1,102. Furthermore, Mandrakk also. Powers and Stats. the_doctor. - featherin vs Lamdadelta (not an actual battle, featherin smashed/trashed Lamda with no actual effort) 3. I personally think ART wins, but it could go either. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. After discovering and observing our universe (616) through the pinhole, Beyonder destroys an entire galaxy and creates the battle world from it to act as a battlefield for the secret war between the superheroes and villains - Scan 1 and Scan 2. -5. They have never adapted to PR Beyonder level power. Marvel team : Pre-Retcon Molecule Man, The Beyonder & Living Tribunal. Jan 29, 2017. Yes, Fu is at least in Hyperversal, he could be put higher in the arcade and games, but the minimum is Hyperversal, although I don't know why it has been put as in three threads Beyonder vs Fu, Fu is not even close to the levels higher than DB, it is a medium high level at best In times where he was not the absolute power in the situation, it was passed off as an M-Body. Just when you open it up to all of fiction it doesn't create a very fun discussion, and if the only goal is to name characters that can beat him then that kind of creates a boring thread of people just naming off every character of a given power level. 9: Dr. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. Could go either way, but I'm siding with Beyonder. Poll Eru Iluvatar vs Beyonder ( Pre Retcon ) (41 votes) Eru 61%. Queen Of Never 25. And again, this requires their power to be bound, in a sense, such as when gods are unable to interact with the mortal plane directly and must work through agents there instead. Cosmic Cube Beyonder. Beyonder needs some preparation. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. GEB=Anti Pressence. 66. Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Respect Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty). not all are the same power level. Anti-monitor was multiversal, Beyonder was hundreds and hundreds of times more powerful than the multiverse and is the poster boy for omnipotence (even though he's nigh omnipotent). #1 Edited By slacker the hacker. ] Planet Buster Tier: Able to destroy a planet [E. He is infinitely greater than everything in existance combined. Fires a blast that according to Beyonder, could slag Several Billion Dimensions. A man as powerful as he is chronically insecure character, Owen Reece has the power to control all matter and energy. Thanos here probably has more power but Beyonder might win off of a technicality. Round 2 : Post Retcon. Manhattan will almost vaporize all the people in here, but he will stop at Molecule. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. Later, the two merge into one single Cosmic Cube, and it is. HeartLesS 25 d . Nope. jwwprod. So I might be missing something. 1. The One Above All, as per the name is above all. But, that was in regard to a. Pre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. •beyonder is omnipotent in the beyond realm. His power level is limited to Marvels definition of omnipotence and it's hierarchy which currrently includes deities like the One Above All. ago. Master/Crazy Hand, Tabuu, Galeem/Dharkon. Stronger than scp-3125 who in turn can exist in noosphere, noosphere contains and surpass narrative within scp which in turn even one narrative in surpass uncountable infinite narratives and oh yeah by the way this is THE SMALLEST narrative and it’s already pre retcon beyonder in turn there are infinite narratives which each surpass each other in turn of transcendent and this is still on the. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are all after the retcon. But I no good enough knowing about Lucifer Morningstar . Beyonder is 1,000,000-2,000,000 times more powerful than an Infinitely Layered Multiverse based on the On-Panel direct estimate. He has both well feats and statements. Well, the. His book alone has all. Reconstructs and Reignites all Stars in the Galaxy. That said, Beyonder loses anyway otherwise and badly (really badly) mainly because Lucifer crushes the BeyondRealm and can survive all of Beyonder's max feat and max implied level of power. Key: Incomplete Cosmic Cube | Ascended Cosmic Cube (Kosmos) | Adult Beyonder | Escaped from the House of Ideas. Follow 3300. And the modern US military can easily beat Homelander, but a few thousand guys are dying. Molecule Man can battle Beyonder. Pre recton beyonder is one of the most over wanked marvel characters . Destiny is shown to be above DC as a whole. We knew this but Galactus is less than a fly to Beyonder, this is after but one show of power from Beyonder. Also the Beyonder is whatever he decides to be. Jack Kline can’t do shit.